00:00 You’re listening to the live happier, longer podcast episode 15. Welcome to the live happier, longer podcast. We’re your hosts, molly watts and Angela McDade. We are here to help you build the habits of a happier longer life starting now.
00:27 Hey, before we jump into this episode, we want to take a moment to talk to you about the five for life planner. You know it’s really more of a journal or even a diary. Well, you know, we called it the Five for life planner. That is true. There’s not much we can do about that now, but I think it’s still more of a journal. It’s 13 weeks. It’s on undated, you can start anytime. Ah yes, that’s true. It’s not your typical dated calendar type planner, but it’s a really good tool for building the habits of a happier, longer life. That’s a good word for it. It’s a tool is perfect for tracking all of those five daily actions. Yeah. There’s a place to write things down for all five. Move, learn, share, give and let go. So when you say write, things down, it sounds more like a journal! Next time, we’ll call it the five for live journal, but for now let’s just tell people where they can buy one.
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01:47 Hey Angela. Hey Molly. How are you? I am grand. I believe that every single one of our podcast starts with me asking, how are Ya? It does, yeah. That’s good. You’re still grant? I am. Excellent. Do you know who Jack Lalanne is? No, I. I don’t know who that is. I am. I guess. I don’t know. You’re not from the states. You’re from Scotland. Maybe he wasn’t as big there, but Jack Lalanne I think would really be called the pioneer of fitness here in the states. He passed away in 2009 at the age of 96, so he was. He lived a very long life. He was all about healthiness and bodybuilding and you know, I bring him up because our guests today mentioned him and his clubs, his health clubs. He actually opened the very first health and fitness club in the United States in 1936. I can’t even imagine that, that they had that, but little before our time, a little before our time. But anyway, she mentioned him and it made me think about him and one of my favorite things. I, I’ve shared this quote and I love it from him. It’s “Figure out what’s good for you, then create a liking for it. You have to work at living.” Yeah. That’s, that’s all about five for life, yet it is. Figured it out and do it and do it to work it. You have to work at it. And I know that our guest is a big advocate of that as well. We’ll have that chat with her.
03:09 Her name’s Phyllis Lerner. She created her own blog called follow fellows about three years ago at the tender age of 64. Yeah. I mean, not a lot of women. I’m making that decision then. And um, she’s just great and we just can’t. I’ve been looking forward to talking with her. She’s very vivid example of taking action and living a happier, longer life and really aging with optimism. Yep. So let’s chat with Phyllis Lerner.
03:40 Hey, Phyllis. Phyllis. I’m so glad. Oh, we’re great. Thank you. It’s Super Fun to finally get to speak with you.
03:49 Yes, it is. I’ve been looking forward to this for quite a while.
03:52 US too. US till we just gave a brief introduction about you and your background and a little bit about your upbringing, that sort of, or your childhood and, and how it inspired you and the decisions you made in terms of really focusing your life on your fitness and health. But take us back a little bit to when your mom passed away and how that really changed you.
04:22 Sure. Well, I grew up as a fat child in a fat household and food was the center of our life and I hated being fat. And uh, I’ve watched both of my parents were obese and diabetics and my father was able to get that into control. And unfortunately at the age of 53, which was right before my 23rd birthday, my mother died of a massive heart attack and I’ve already gotten my weight in control.
04:52 You did at that point.
04:54 At that point I starved it off, which is something I would never advise anybody to do, but still was an enormous struggle. But seeing her die made me realize that those were my genetics because for someone young to die that means that it’s, you know, that’s a genetic disposition. And I decided I have to get a life plan and that’s what.
05:17 Yeah. Wow. So tell us about that. Some people say, yeah, okay, I’m going to be fit. You know, I’m going to do this, I’m going to do that. Not a lot of women. I would think back then I thought I’m going to take up bodybuilding.
05:33 I’m not like a lot of women.
05:38 That’s an understatement.
05:41 But I was exercising. I think at that time I was going through like a local Jack LaLanne in Brooklyn and then I moved into Manhattan.
05:50 Oh Jack Lalanne. I Love Jack Lalanne.
05:52 I grew up with him. My mother watched, even though she was heavy, she loved Jack Lalanne. to try to work out with him and so it’s going to Jack Lalanne..
06:01 I don’t know who that is! You don’t know who that is. I know who he is. Okay. Well Scotland.
06:10 He’s the king of fitness, exercising and watching what they ate and I was on my lunch break and I walked, there’s a big bookstore in Manhattan and I wandered in there and I picked a book by Arnold Schwarzenegger, a bodybuilding book and started reading it and I was just. I was fascinated because in the preface he said, as soon as you pick up a weight doesn’t have to be a big weight, can be a one pound, weight, you’re a bodybuilder and for whatever reason, that was just very powerful to me. That something so little could be the start of something so big and then a few days later I was just also during lunch, took a walk and I looked up and there was the midcity first, all women’s bodybuilding gym, body building, gym for men in Manhattan and I just walked in and the guy who owns it looked at me and he says, you’re going to compete. And that was it. I just started bodybuilding and I fell, I fell in love with it.
07:19 And that was, that was when you were 23.
07:23 That was a early mid twenties.
07:26 That’s so you. But you went the full, the full distance. You competed and you did the whole.
07:32 I didn’t compete, but I was at that time bodybuilding’s a very different sport than it is now. All the women were very small. The most of them were gymnast and so I was interested in having me compete for the gym, but at a certain point it was every single day all they would ask me, like I walk into train, how much do you weigh? And after being asked how much do I weigh? 50 Times within 15 minutes. I finally said, you know, that’s it. It takes an enormous toll on your body. Most people who poohpooh bodybuilders as being a, you know, meatheads and, and, uh, not really serious and all they do is lift the heavy things when in reality, most bodybuilders, I know, know a tremendous amount about the human body about science, about food, about movement. But, uh, so I, I stopped, I just, you know, I, I wasn’t going to compete anymore. And then I started a business and I was, I actually had a bakery for a short period of time, all the bodybuilders becoming, which was hysterical.
08:44 Extra protein in those buns!
08:44 It was all cakes, pies, scones. All these people would come in. And a long story short, eventually I had my second child, you know, I was exercising, I was still doing some bodybuilding move out to the suburbs. And within a year I was doing step was popular during a lot of that, do a lot of aerobics and just within a year I just found my way to the biggest bodybuilding gym in New Jersey where I was in. I got involved with powerlifting, so as to powerlifter and uh, it, it just runs in my veins. I, I, now, I, I, I can’t. People say, God, I can’t stop, I can’t. I love it.
09:32 Yeah, that’s, I mean, and I think that’s one of the keys to anyone finding, you know, with movement and we’re all about, you know, our daily action number one is move in terms of creating the habits of a happier, longer life and it’s number one for a reason. We say that a lot because really movement and continuing, you know, exercise, exercise slash movement that it’s really all about continuing to move your body and finding something that you’re passionate about. Certainly helps. Yeah, your not going to keep doing it. If it’s, if it’s going to be a problem.
10:06 Well I think people have to open themselves up to things, especially women. You go to the gym. There’s always is that thing like a shop, the perimeter of a supermarket, which we know is no longer true because in the inside it was supermarket. Now we have lots of fabulous food and it’s not just the perimeter supermarket. Well, I tell women don’t. When you go to a gym, don’t shop the perimeter. The perimeter is the cardio. It’s the classes. It’s when you go to a jam, getting into the heart, get into the gut, so that’s the place to be. That’s where the body changes. You Watch people do cardio and they’ll hours and hours and hours and hours and generally nothing happens to them. It’s just go and do it and you know, nobody’s looking at, trust me, I’m not looking at other people in the gym. I’m looking at myself.
11:02 I think it’s intimidating. I think a lot of women are just simply intimidated, uh, by the idea of lifting weights, whether they don’t know what to do. First of all, I mean, it’s a lot easier to get on a treadmill, right? You know what to do. You think, you know how to walk on a treadmill no matter what, but to understand really, you know, how to lift weights properly or what there are, there’s a fear maybe of getting it wrong. Yeah, because you’re doing it wrong. You can actually hurt your shelf, whereas, you can’t really. You can’t go wrong on a treadmill.
11:39 I’ve fallen off a treadmill.
11:39 That’s true. You can go wrong.
11:44 but yeah, but it’s that whole notion. And then of course there’s, I think there’s a really misguided fear that as a woman you’re going to build some muscles that are not going to be. Yeah, you’re going to be bulky. You’re going to be a big bulky beast, which we are on a podcast, so we don’t have the. We don’t, we aren’t sharing an image of you, but anybody that wants to see what a beautiful 67 year old looks like and go find you on your website. At follow Phyllis and instagram at @followPhyllis, which we’ll share later, but you certainly are a vision of strength. Yeah, I mean there’s no question that you’re strong but you don’t look like a meathead. That’s for darn sure.
12:33 I’m the furthest thing from meathead. Thank you for those lovely compliments, but the reason why I’m such a component of bodybuilding is there were. I mean there are many reasons, but body building’s the only sport where the athlete is looking in the mirror, they’re thinking about their weight, but they’re looking in the mirror and they’re looking in the mirror because when you train properly, your body changes and you can determine how you change your body by how you lift weights and other forms of exercise. Now it’s not to say Yoga doesn’t change your body or pilates, they all do. They’re all wonderful forms of exercise and as mentioned earlier, when you find your fit that’s the right fit for you, not I don’t expect everybody to be passionate about what I’m passionate about, but it is the fastest way to resculpt your body. I have clients who are very apple shaped, so I encouraged them to work their shoulders, which goes into more hourglass look, and you can’t really do that with other forms of exercise, so I think that that’s one of the reasons why I promote bodybuilding. Also, the more muscle you have in your body, the higher metabolism is you can eat more food.
13:57 That’s a good thing. That’s always a good thing.
14:01 Not really true well cardio. It’s a misconception that cardio is a great burner of fat and calories, it’s important, but having more muscle on your body is what is wha really speeds up your metabolism throughout the day. Now I’m not just talking about why you’re running. Of course you’re burning calories and you have for a lifetime. I think that it’s. I think it’s the best way to get fit, to look good and feel great. The power that women always talk about how powerless we feel. Even though we are such powerful creatures, it’s very empowering to pick up something heavy, work with it. Just, it just to me, it makes me feel really just strong and happy and uh, but I can do anything
14:56 Which is phenomenal. When you started, you started your blog about three years ago, and tell me why. I mean, what was your hope with that? What were you really wanting to do?
15:07 You know, three years changed since I started the blog, but I really felt like, um, I didn’t feel this way personally. I’m going to say that right there. I have no problem with cash jegging old lady. I don’t have an age problem with me, but I noticed my girlfriends were just depressed. Uh, they felt like there was nothing they could do, that they were over the hill, that they were invisible. And I wanted to impart on other women that if you’re invisible is because you’re allowing yourself to be invisible and that there were things that you can do little things to make you feel better about yourself from all the years and years of tricking myself into eating this food. Because it tastes like that and then giving my friends and clients these trips and seeing how effective they were in a positive way. I thought, well instead of reaching one person or three people, I can, I can have now a big audience. And I was really thinking about empowering other women to feel good about being in their fifties and sixties because I was already over 60 when I started that. And so, you know, just,
16:26 you know, it’s very sad and I’m sure other women feel that way. When you, when you, when you read or you see other women who are feeling so down about themselves and you know that they can make changes to feel good about themselves, but they don’t know. Who Do you listen to, what do you do? And everything so overcomplicated. But my blog posts, I try to make them short and actionable. One, two, three and four. You have this problem? five, six, seven, eight, a, b, c, d, e, f. don’t overcomplicate it. And that’s what I was hoping too, that was the message I was hoping to get with the blog, that you could dress fashionably, you could exercise, you can eat delicious food, that you didn’t have to starve yourself or work out a thousand hours a week, that you could do these things and feel vibrant.
17:33 Yeah, and it’s. It’s a wonderful. I’d love your blog. I love your blog because it, it is very. Just like you said, it is very actionable and I appreciate that. I don’t, I’m, you know, I love to see things in action and people know you are a living example of living a happier, longer life and really taking those steps every day to..and sharing what works. You know, we say a lot of the times it doesn’t have to be complicated, but that doesn’t mean it’s simple. You know what I mean? It doesn’t mean it’s easy and I know that we agree very strongly with something you believe and that’s really just like, it’s up to you. Bottom line, you’re not a, no fluff kind of person. You do not like no excuses,
18:17 right? Your health is your responsibility, your health is not my responsibility and my health is not yours, and if you don’t take ownership of your health, first of all, it’s never too late. You can be 80 years old and take ownership of you’re here. Today is a new day, Yay, whatever, but I’m. One of the posts. I think probably my favorite pose is what being fit means to me and taking care of your health and being actionable is not about wearing a size two or looking great in a bikini. For instance, with everything that happened to me over this past year and I mean my blog posts, I think I wrote about a third of all medical difficulties I’ve encountered, but my body was there for me. When when I needed my body to heal it healed. I knew what to do for my body. I could read my body and unless individuals does this, all of us are going to get sick.
19:22 Very few people escape through life and never have any illness. I mean there are some lucky people and God bless, but for most of us will encounter something and if your body is strong and capable, it can. It can heal itself, but if you neglect yourself, who do you call on you? You can’t call on yourself to heal or the healing is so much slower. So the bottom line is you have to do it for you, it has to be your top priority and it, but it can’t be a top priority twenty four seven. It has to sort of be like your background noise. It’s always there. Something that you don’t think about and the more that you start with the program, it just becomes intrinsic and you don’t think about. I’m sure there are things that you do on a daily basis that a lot of people don’t and you don’t even think about it.
20:17 Yeah. That’s what we. We like in our five daily actions. It’s like you get up in the morning and you brush your teeth. You don’t think, oh now, I have to brush my teeth. It’s just something that you do, so if you’re. If you’re getting. If you create your life that you do these actions on a regular basis, you don’t really think about it. And you touched on a point there that most people don’t skate through life without something happening, medical or whatever, and the whole point is that you have to set yourself up to deal with it. And what you didn’t say is that you just go over a hip surgery and then three years ago you had another hip surgery you have. I mean you definitely have had to deal with very serious physical properties. Yeah.
21:12 I also had my entire mouth. I had surgery. I had my last appointment was last week, five years of dental surgery, my entire mouth, so it’s been physically, but I always knew I could make it in the. I can’t ever. I can’t say I ever had like a darkest day. I was depressed and sad, but I always. I said, okay, let me get my plan. Write it down. That’s why I love your planners. Have a, have a plan, know what you’re doing. Write down your feelings write down what you’re eating. Write down how you’re moving. Know, you know what, what to do
21:56 Yeah, and you and you talked about it a little bit with us before, but that you don’t set yourself grandiose goals like when you were coming out of your hip replacement surgery. It wasn’t like I wanna get back to lifting 300lbs. Back to lifting all these things right away, you know?
22:19 Well I did, I just didn’t tell my family!
22:19 Oh good Lord. Yeah. But you did. But I mean, but it was a small. I mean like even as much as just getting up the stairs. Right? I mean when you were first coming out of that, it has to be
22:32 Literally as we’re speaking, I see all my carrots in front of me. Even now, like I have little, after the hip surgery, maybe the first carrot was walking without a cane or taking a shower by myself and then bigger carrots always involved going out of the house, like maybe having my hair done or getting my nails done and then you know, the carrots got bigger and because for me the ultimate carrot is being back in the gym and getting my life back, which I’m happy to say finally, especially since that wedding is over, I try to return to myself on a daily basis.
23:15 Yeah, we should mention that not only were you recovering from hip surgery, but you were also helping plan your daughter’s wedding, which any mother of a girl can relate to. Is is an incredibly time consuming mind consuming activity.
23:31 It was a difficult. Let me just say, I’m very happy. The 2018 is coming to a close looking for a namaste 2019. I’m going to Learn how to sleep better. That’s my number one goal.
23:48 Oh, nice. We have, you know, if you haven’t listened to, if you’ve listened to one of our.
23:52 I did!
23:52 Oh my gosh, nothing much happens. It’s our favorite podcasts. Go to bedtime stories. And it’s great. It’s, it. I fall asleep all the time listening to it. It’s perfect.
24:04 I can fall asleep, it’s staying asleep.
24:06 Yeah, I know. I got that problem too. So let’s talk a little bit about your nutrition philosophy, because I know on your website I think that that probably came about because people kept asking you, right, about it and finally developed a nutrition plan. So tell us a little bit about your nutrition philosophy.
24:24 Well, I have two basic philosophies. One is for the woman who needs to lose weight and then I have of course for an athlete, which is a whole different dynamic, but, but I, I think that the fitness industry has so over complicated everything. I’ve had clients say to me, am I getting enough macros? You shouldn’t be concerned with your macros and Micros. You have to lose 50 pounds. But what I realized is what I would try to get my clients to eat, what I would consider like a healthful diet. I realized that it’s very hard to go from having a breakfast, a toasted Bagel to eggs and Bacon and a Danish to having something that I might have, which is like three egg whites and a rice cakes. So what I’ve done is I’ve developed a plan where we can eat the foods that they typically like to eat without any thought.
25:25 So I show you how to eat a Bagel, how to eat the foods that you like. I have meatballs and spaghetti, the snacks to eat. It’s basically three meals, two snacks. Everything can be assembled with almost no cooking because I find that people who are overweight, I think it’s best to stay out of the kitchen. I think that after you’ve lost some weight, then it’s good to get all those tools together and learn how to really eat correctly, real food, food and start teaching yourself how to do that, but in the beginning that my nutrition guidance called eat wise, lose a size. Just eat regular food, smaller quantities. It simple stupid. I just don’t like to give people too much choice. I think that too much choice is difficult for a lot of people. So you know, if I’ve given you seven different dinners and you can pick from those with 10 different dinners, just do it and you lose weight. No, I think weight watchers is a great plan, but for certain people they can’t count points. They can’t do this, they can’t do that. This is as easy if it’s really, it’s like a pic..my Nutritional plan, a picture book that you pick that, and you pic that, and.
26:48 It’s just Simplified. Also because I think I read a blog post of yours to about fasting, timed fasting or a little bit what? What’s your, do you practice that yourself?
26:57 I do. I do. Everybody has a different name and a different definition for time to intermittent fasting, but I do what I call timed fasting. So I usually eat eight hours, eight or nine hours during the day and then I fast 15 or 16 now. Most people will normally fast when they’re sleeping. You get eight hours of sleep and what you do is I suggest that you stop eating an hour earlier and then you start your first meal an hour later until you reach a comfortable timeline for you. Not. It doesn’t work for everybody the way I do it. Some people you know like 12 on 12 off, but for me I’ve found that by, first of all, I like to train and exercise on an empty stomach. So I mean that’s a no brainer but you’re eating your food in a smaller window and it’s very hard to eat that much in eight or nine hours. Not. I’m not saying you can, but I find that by doing the time fasting. So I’ll have my first meal usually 12 or 1:00 and then I’ll eat like 9:00 at night. I usually need to eat something before you go to sleep actually, that I could, if I wanted to, I could eat anything I want. My weight has stabilized, it actually, before the wedding, my weight, because of all the stress, my weight actually dipped and if I wanted fries, but I’m eating everything within a certain period of time. And then it gives my body all this time to digest the food, to clean my system. And it gives my system, you know, it’s not just your weight, it’s digestion takes a lot from your body. So it’s not just, you know, the, the, the, you’re eating less in a certain timeframe, you’re giving your body more time to digest what you eat and to clean your system out. I’m a great believer in detox and cleansing. And I think that that’s the time fasting does. And for me it has literally been life changing for about a not quite a year, maybe 10 months. I have never been able to control my weight so easily. That to me, I think for me that was like the uh, you know, the little hidden thing that I didn’t know about.
29:21 It’s excellent. Yeah. I’ve used it before myself and I am a firm believer and there’s a lot of. Well there’s a lot of research behind it too, in terms of just like you said, it’s not so much the, even in terms of calorie reduction, yes, but also just in terms of allowing your digestive system that time off where it’s not having to continually in your organs are not having to try to digest stuff because that’s really not the way. And you know, evolution wise, that’s not the way that we were built. You know, they, it’s, there’s a lot of science behind it too. So as far as getting older, you know, one of the reasons that you started the blog was really just, you saw a lot of women feeling depressed or discouraged about that. And obviously one of the big things that we’re trying to help people do is aid with optimism. And we’re all about creating habits that help you remain optimistic as you age. You’re 67. So you’re, you know,
30:22 I’m a dinosaur.
30:23 No, I know, but that’s what I’m saying. So what I think is so great about that is, I mean, you’re, do you see yourself, you must have a vision of you as you’re getting older and does, does 70 scare you? Does it scare you or does it just make you think, okay, this is great. I’m just going to keep on, keep on keeping on. Yeah,
30:49 it scares me a little bit. I have to be honest. It does scare me a little bit. Um, but I honestly never individually, like Phyllis, I never think about my age. I’ve just never, I, I’ve always been a person who just goes out and does things. I’ve had a number of businesses, I just a self starter and I, I don’t, I think I don’t look at other people that way either. I don’t like tiny boxes. I try not to put people into boxes so I try not to put myself into a box either and I haven’t really thought about it until, you know, speaking with other people and seeing how depressed they have clients and you know. It’s almost like an avalanche, like you reach 45..50 and you put on a little weight and then you stop caring about how you look and you stop caring about how you eat and then it sort of snowballs. So anyway, we stop that snowball from happening I think is a good thing. But yeah, I will say one thing that in terms of age, and I’m going to say this, if these are the best years of your life, you haven’t lived your life properly. If I have to read one more time. If this is the best I love. I love being alive, but I love my life. I have look forward to 67 more years, but I did have more fun when I was 30!
32:38 Well, you’re not, you’re, you’re sort of alluding to a past that even might have involved some motorcycle riding and some daredevil stuff like that, which may be hard to duplicate. The thing about, uh, what I love about you so much is that you’re a great example of the fact that I think that you’re right. So many people start to just shut down at, you know, at 60 they see it as, um, as an, some people just quite honestly see it as an excuse, right? As an, as a, as a justification for letting themselves fall into. Yeah. It’s almost an expectation or a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. It’s like when you get to this age, this is what happens in this is what happens, and so you just cruise right on into that and you let it happen. And who knows, Phyllis, she made that, you know, once you become a grandma, you may, you know, find a whole new. It may become a whole new best years of your life!
33:39 I’m going to lose that baby, I’m already on my daughter. She’s only married two weeks.
33:46 If She hears this. She’s like, “Hold on!”
33:50 She already know is my plan. I’m not shy. I let people know exactly what I expect from them from the very beginning.
33:56 Yeah. We would go on very well fellas. Oh my goodness. All right. Let’s talk a little bit about where our listeners can find you both online and on social media, so your website is
34:17 www.followphyllis.com follow Phyllis on facebook and instagram and twitter. I’m all over social media.
34:25 Yeah, I know. Which is pretty. I mean we. We’ve had that conversation too, but I mean I don’t know. There’s that. There’s many 67 year olds out there on instagram being influencers like you are.
34:35 There were, you know, it’s interesting. There were more of a listening thing but I’m. There were so many in the 50 range but us senior citizens really are a forgotten group. And Phyllis is looking to change that
34:54 I love it, which is part, which is why we were so excited to get to speak with you because that’s who we want to encourage as well and I’m sure if anybody in their sixties, seventies you are listening, there’s no excuses, right? They can do what you’re doing. They can. They can start small and start making better changes in their lives.
35:16 And they should start immediately.
35:19 Right. What are you waiting for?
35:21 If you ate like a pig for breakfast, eat well for lunch and dinner. There’s no, there’s no time like the present. That’s what I say. Not Tomorrow forget about yesterday. And don’t worry about tomorrow. Right now. If you serious the time to start your road to better health is now right now.
35:39 Awesome. There you go. I don’t think we could stop on any better advice. Yeah. We will link to everything in our show notes and probably call out for your nutrition plan as well. So, um, that people want to connect with you. I hope that they will. I know that, uh, I get a lot out of both reading your blog and following you on social. So
36:01 I appreciate it. You know, I love the two of you. I look forward to your posts and I love the podcast. I was never a pod. I never listened to podcasts, but I’m hooked on every. There’s so many women who have so much to offer. Everybody has their nuances and it’s so interesting to see you. They weren’t podcasts like yours. You wouldn’t know those little nuances. And I think that makes it no life so much more interesting and just a great learning tool.
36:33 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Perfect. Well, we appreciate it and thanks for taking the time to speak with us today. Thanks. Thanks. You have a happy thanksgiving. Thank you. You too.
36:43 I’m going to eat like a pig. Perfect. Bye Ladies. It’s been great.
36:51 Thank you. Thanks for listening to the live happier, longer podcast. Now it’s time to move, learn, share, give and let go. Five daily actions to make the rest of your life the best of your life. See you next week.
