00:00 You’re listening to the live happier, longer podcast, episode 46
00:15 Welcome to the live happier, longer podcast. We’re your hosts, Molly watts and Angela McDade. We are here to help you build it by habits of happier longer life and to create your habit mindset starting now.
00:30 Hey, Angela. Hey Molly, how are you? Not too bad at all. Awesome. Angela, we have a guest on the podcast today. Whoa, throwback. I know it’s been a bit, we’ve been busy talking among ourselves about our habit building and helping people figure out the right steps they need to take action on building habits. Today we’re going to talk to someone who really is a great example, yeah. Of daily habit number one move, which is what we just talked about last week in terms of the importance, right? The importance and the steps and how you can incorporate that habit into your life easier and better. Lorraine laddish has a fantastic following on Instagram. She’s a writer and influencer and really self-made entrepreneur. Started her kind of like hit a rock bottom spot and created vivafifty.com it’s a bilingual site and it’s really in it. She’s just taken that space by storm and really has created a very successful business for herself over the last 10 years.
01:45 But I found her on Instagram and saw her doing some really incredible yoga. Yeah, some like really incredible yoga. And when she says really incredible, it’s amazing. Yeah. And so we wanted to talk to her a little bit about her philosophy, cause I know she also has a website called the plot Yogi, Annie. And she really, yoga has become a mainstay in her life. She works with AARP in talking about how yoga helps people as they age. And I just wanted to be able to chat with her about how important moving is in her life. Yeah. Here’s our conversation with Lorraine laddish.
02:27 Hi Lorraine. Hi Lorraine. Good morning. Good morning. We’re so thankful and grateful that you, uh, had time to speak with us this morning. I know it’s been kind of a crazy week in Florida. Luckily you’re on the Gulf coast, so haven’t been directly impacted by a hurricane, the hurricane. But it definitely has been, I know a concern for everybody out there on the east coasts.
02:50 Yes it has. I’m, I’m actually very sad for everybody hit by Dorian like The Bahamas and everywhere else is going, but we live in a place that is prone to this or we’re used to at least having a scare once a year.
03:02 Yeah, I don’t know about, I used to, I love Florida. We have visited, have family there, visited at many times. But I have to say that lately I’ve been like, you know, I don’t know if I could do that. I don’t know if I could live there on a permanent basis. I used to,
03:17 You get used to it. I’ve been living here for 15 years and in September, 15 years ago, I arrived the day before a hurricane with my babies and couldn’t go home. So anyway, that was my, my first hurricane. And since I’ve been through quite a few and you at least, you know what we can do, we can prepare. And I always think of California as a place where, you know, there’s a earthquake, earthquake and you can’t prepare a lot. So yeah, it’s always something.
03:51 very true, well we just talked a little bit about, well not a little, a lot about all of your myriad of accomplishments here in the introduction and we really wanted to talk with you because as I mentioned to you and when I reached out, just you really kind of embody everything that we talk about at five for life in terms of creating the habits of a happier, longer life. Because we realize that, you know, you don’t just get to say, oh I want to be 80 and I want to, you know, have this great life. It takes some, it takes action and it takes habits and it, it means that you have to actually do things too to create that longer, happier life. And we talk about five of them all the time. But the first one that we talk about and we really been focused on here in the last couple of weeks on the podcast is move. And as I mentioned to you, I think you just really, uh, embody that, uh, that habit. And I want to talk a little bit more with you about what it is. I mean, talk to me a little bit about how exercise and fitness has been a part of your life, how it’s helped you through your life and where you see it. I mean, where are you are focused on at now as you are aging?
05:13 Well, exercise is as big a part in my life as eating lunch or brushing my teeth. Quite honestly. It’s the habit, the habit that I started when I was very young and I started it with my dad when we would run together. I was 12 years old and around the same time my dad was into yoga as well and he gave me this book by Richard Youdelman, 28 days of, I forget what the rest of that title is, but it has to do with Yoga. I still have the book. And I would practice yoga in my room by myself. I was a very strange child, but all of this a helped me manage what would later manifest as depression, clinical depression and anxiety and eventually an eating disorder that lasted unfortunately or fortunately because it shaped who I was afterwards, 20 years. And fitness was always the way aside from taking medication, because I do take and I have taken medication for mental health and I think it’s important to discuss that because a lot of people feel alone and like, uh, they’re weak or because they take meds. I do not believe that to me. They gave me my life back. However, the endorphin high that I get from running, dancing, swimming, yoga, I mean all the things I’ve done in my life, uh, I was a fitness instructor from the ages of 21 to around 35 and to me there’s a nothing that compares to that. And my youngest child who is now 15 is now a boxing on an Olympic, uh, team, I don’t know if she will compete eventually, but she is doing it. And she was scared of doing it because it was hard. It was going to be very hard. And when I picked her up for her from her first, um, session, I was worried. I was like, well, she, she’s either in a quit or say it’s so hard or whatever. And she came to the car and said, mommy, I loved it. It was hard but I loved it. And I said, you know what? Once you’ve felt this, you will never go back. That makes me so happy as a mom. Um, again, fitness has been instrumental to my mental health, to my ability to finished projects and do your discomforts and so many other things that I just cannot imagine. Life without movement.
07:47 Yeah. And I know that a few years ago now, you had an injury that really kind of set you on a different track in terms of from running. Um, but if you don’t follow Lorraine on Instagram, you absolutely should because your yoga poses are, uh, just incredible. And especially for a woman of, you know, for women over 50. Okay. So 56 and I mean, I think that that’s one of the things that I really wanted to, uh, dive into with you is there’s a lot of women who, who have not been, you know, fitness instructors who haven’t incorporated fitness into their lives as strongly as you have over time. But they really can start, right? I mean, that’s what we try to say is you’ve got to start small. You got to, but you gotta do it every day, you know, do something and get moving every day. It’s critical as we age. And, um, I know that yoga for you has become a real passion.
08:51 It’s my new addiction. That’s what I like to say. I have an addictive personality. I don’t want people to think that I have a bunch of willpower. The reason why I am so good at showing up, uh, on the yoga mat or running or whatever it is that I’m doing at that time is because I do have a compulsive and addictive personality and I just learned how to channel it towards that. So it’s not like I am struggling every day with, oh, I should exercise and then I finally get myself on the Mat. I just do it. I realize most people do not do this. So what I always tell people is that, um, if you consider that I’m 56 years old and let’s say that I didn’t exercise every day, but I exercise made and hypothetical because I do mostly exercise daily. But if I only exercise twice a week or three times a week throughout my life and we multiply by that, by the number of weeks until 56, that’s a long time.
09:45 What people, I think what I normally say and why don’t participate in fitness challenges and things like that is because they are temporary. So say that in September and January are two very big times of the year when people are, oh, let’s do this fitness challenge for a month. Right? And then they’re so wiped out by the end of the month that they don’t do anything else. And that’s it. Um, somebody told me recently, I was sharing some core exercises online and she said, well, how often do you do these? I said, every day, even if it were five minutes, every day is much better. Five minutes than an hour a week. So to me, the, um, the biggest downfall of people who try to exercise and try and make it a habit is that they do it so strong and so hard that they end up with terrible soreness and cramps and all this, and then they feel like, oh wow, this is how I’m going to feel every time. And they don’t realize that by going slowly or taking it piece meal, they will build and endurance and their muscles will get used to it slowly to the point that they will actually enjoy it. There is nothing more beautiful and nicer than actually enjoying something that used to be difficult.
10:57 Yeah. Yeah.
10:58 So I would always say like, start small, don’t, don’t overdo it. Well that is that, that’s fast track to not doing anything. Yeah. And we also feel foreign body or no, I don’t.
11:10 We’ve done a lot. We’ve shared a lot of research on our podcast about how to build habits in any format, whether it’s exercise or anything else that you’re trying to do. And just to exactly what you said, the consistency is what is important. Whether you do it for five minutes or every day, but five minutes every day is better than an hour and then once a month. Yeah, right. And then falling off because you don’t, you know, you can’t keep that up and you have to build slowly, incrementally, and celebrate that small success. Keep going until you’re, until you’re habit is much more ingrained now. I’m sure you’re feeling, you feel the opposite way when you miss a day.
11:55 Oh Gosh. Well, yesterday for example, yesterday I did not move the entire day because I was at a seminar and when I got home, my hips were hurting so badly that it was like this is why I move and of course I got on my yoga mat in the evening, but it for me not moving or getting on an airplane and being sitting for hours. That is what hurts my body because my body is very used to movement. So, um, and then another thing again is that perception of, uh, the hurts that, you know, when somebody is like, wow, I can’t exercise today because I’m all sore and they don’t realize that if they do a little bit the next day they’re going to actually feel better and alleviates the pain. And so I think our society now does not know how to sit with discomfort. And this is something that we want the gain without the pain.
12:49 And I don’t think we have to, I have pain, but I do think that there is something to be said about sitting with that discomfort. You know, that, okay, this hurts a little, it’s not bad or it’s just because my muscles are moving. And Yoga has taught me that too. The reason, as you mentioned before that I stopped running and I loved running was my first love. I love dancing, swimming and doing so many other things. But running was really what um, my goodness, just that, that fact of putting one foot in front of the other and the energy and the meditative state and all that was, was something that got me through a lot of stuff in life. And when I was 48 much younger friend convinced me to do a half marathon and I had already done races. I’m a very slow runner, but I, I have endurance and I thought it would be fun.
13:37 Unfortunately I got bronchitis in the middle of, of everything. And then I trained too hard, too fast and I injured my hip. I kinda know what was gonna happen because it was already bothering me and I told my friend, my goal is to finish it running, even if I never run again. I don’t recommend it. Other people do that. But it wasn’t fact kind of the end of my running days because it was, it was not, it wasn’t terrible injury, but it did mess up my hip. And so I turned to other forms of fitness. And then my husband, who is a professional photographer, he was teaching photography and a retreat in the mountains. And I went into a yoga class in the morning and I had already practiced yoga before on and off. But within a week, my hip didn’t hurt. And then being the compulsive person I am, I just took it on full throttle.
14:27 And last year I became a certified yoga instructor and I’m still studying for my next certification. And then I, it just became, even though the main reason I do is for mobility, but I started getting a thrill out of realizing, wow, now I can actually have a goal of let’s, let’s do an arm balance this through this crazy pose at 20. Because I also have to say that I’m very fortunate that at 56, I do not have osteoporosis. I don’t have arthritis. I don’t have. So if somebody does have all those things, they should be way more mindful than I am when they’re doing all these things. And, um, but the reason I became a yoga instructor was because picking up and I, I never thought I wanted to have anything to do with teaching physical exercise or although yoga is way more than that. But the point being that I have kind of come full circle because when I was young I was arrogant and I thought if I can do this, anybody can and injured myself a number of times. And of course now I’m 56 and have had a number of injuries and a lot of things happened to me and have a lot of friends, uh, who cannot move for different reasons. My goal is to, uh, help people who think that they cannot move to actually do it within their capabilities.
15:49 And that’s such an important message because finding where you are, you know, accepting where you’re at and starting from there and building slowly. There’s medical reasons, right? Some people have reasons that they cannot do one type of movement or another, but a lot of us just have excuses for why we think we, you know, just like you had a hip injury, it was painful.
16:11 Yes, pretty much. But I found something else. I follow some Yogis online. Yeah, there, there’s this one man, I cannot for the life of me remember his name, but he has no legs. If this man can practice yoga and teach it, anybody can. And there is another Yogi who is, I think she’s missing, she’s missing three limbs and she practices this is yoga. So I mean these are extremes, but still if you, when you see people like that, you’re like, wow, what is my excuse? And um, what I would say is very critical at this time in life at least. Uh, from where I see it, I am actually taking these, uh, instructor classes alongside women who are younger than myself, but also much older. So one of my favorite yoginis that I know in person and I post about her a lot is 82 years old and she has had cancer three times. She broke her femur last year and um, you know, has had depression and a lot of things happened in her life. She’s a widow, but yet she shows up to class and she teaches and she talks about, you know, these old people and she’s talking about people who are older than her, who are students. So I look at those people because what we do or we don’t do now is going to impact our health and our wellbeing in 10 years. So when I look around and even my kids make jokes because my age is, I make a living telling people my age. So the point is that what do you do and you don’t do you know the, the fact that I see women who are younger than me who cannot go up a flight of stairs without getting winded and just that is what I, you know, we can do certain things.
17:53 There are things like my dad worked out all his life and now has polymyalgia, which affects his movement and he had a quadruple bypass. And that’s a number of things that happen to them. And perhaps some of them could have been controlled, some might not. But I am very aware that being fit does not guarantee that I’m going to be in perfect health. I happen to be right now, but I have had my health scares a year ago almost a colon cancer. So, so fitness does not guarantee that you’re going to be 100% healthy. But whatever I can do to not only feel better, but not be a burden to my kids, uh, live the years that I have left with intensity as opposed to feeling I need help from others. Ah, goodness in the United States, saving money on medicine and going to the doctor, not just that is enough to get moving. So, um, I do think a lot when I see people who are older than myself, I’m like, who do I want to be this person or this person?
18:59 You’re singing our song because that’s exactly what we, what we focus on and why we focus on it. You know, my dad is turning 92 this in January he’s had five major heart procedures, prostate cancer, and he’s still taking Tai Chi. He just started taking it six months ago. Just not, you know, then he told me I’m not great at it, but I, you know, it helps my balance. I’m like, he does, you know, and he does that and I think that that’s, and that’s the whole, that’s the whole mission of why we talk about what we talk about is just as you said, you have to have a plan, you have to take action and you want to do this because you can have that 80 you know, you can be that 82 year old who’s teaching the yoga classes or you can be someone who has a hard time getting up the stairs yet, but also by doing it now, you feel good now. Yeah. You’re feeling good, but you’d also like banking that for the future. So what you do, you are, yes.
20:05 I will tell you a story like my grandmother passed away a year ago at 101 nice. Okay. She had, her brain was perfect better than mine, better memory practically until a month before she passed. But however she lived her last, I want to say 20 years of her life sitting in a chair in the living room because she developed, grew agoraphobia after a fall she had in the street and she became afraid of walking outside. And once she was gone, I thought to myself, wow, well she lived in Spain, I’m half Spanish. So I was far from her and I was thinking that that is actually what got me going, um, into being a yoga instructor. And it was because I thought if I had been there, um, maybe I could have made her move because I cannot for the life of me, imagine living 20 years sitting in that chair, in a row. I don’t care how well my brain, especially if my brain is in perfect working order. So I don’t want to live to be a hundred if that is going to be my life sitting in the chair like my grandmother did, I want to live for as long as I can or as little as I need to, but in good working condition if possible.
21:25 Yeah, absolutely. And that’s one of the reasons that, again, that we’re passionate about what we talk about is that people are living longer. It’s just, it’s the way of our world in terms of medical advances and they can keep you alive and it doesn’t mean you’ll have a good quality of life, you know? So if you want to have a quality of life, it really is, we say this all the time now, it’s the quality of your life really equals the quality of your habits. So if you, if you have the habit of moving, of learning, of sharing, engaging with the world, giving gratitude, letting go of stress, these are all of our five daily habits, those habits, you know, if that’s what you focus on, you are going to get to that happier, longer life. Because really that’s the, the ticket is, is building the habits now and continuing them on. Because chances are if you reach the age of 65 statistically speaking, you are, your average life expectancy is another 19 years. That’s just, that’s just math. So that’s 85, you know, most of us will see 85 many of us will see 90. Some of us will see 101 you know, so that’s right. So exactly. So, and that’s really our message. And I know you this I’m sure, beyond moving, learning, sharing, being grateful, letting go of stress. You do. I think, all of that.
22:53 well, speaking of stress, for example, um, it’s interesting that I have always thought that I dealt with stress well because I was into sports. And it turns out that I had to learn to sit still and meditate and actually learn, re-learn maybe to also lose that stress. For example, from my gut a year ago, I, um, I had the worst symptoms that remember this on Instagram turned out, turned out to be, well, first of all they uncovered something else which was precancerous. And I was very lucky that I had the symptoms. But all this to say that because of, uh, parenting stress that I had at the time, very intense, I developed irritable Bowel Syndrome and I always joke that I had a stomach of, of iron, even though I had had an eating disorder that I could eat anything. And you know, so well ha ha. To me it was very crippling.
23:53 It messed with my emotional and mental health as well. It was not fun, but I realized I could either sit there and complain and go to doctor after doctor to see what they could do for me or I could try and reduce my stress. And that was very hard for me because again, I was used to doing that through movement. But the learning of sitting down in meditation, the progressive relaxation of my body, which I was unable to do without a guided meditation. The fact that I can do it well one year later and that I can talk to you today saying I actually feel pretty good other than them catching a cold. But, but for the most part, uh, if I, if I was able to do that in one year, anybody else can do that too. So we’re always going to face challenges. The point is, are we going to sit back and just, you know, I have a friend who was a very debilitating disease and disease. Unfortunately she was way younger than I am. Um, she could be in bed and she is sometimes because she has some, has chemotherapy even though it’s not cancer. But the days that she can, she musters the strength to get out of bed and do some yoga or some breathing exercises and she motivates me every day. Um, another, another thing that gets me going is, uh, friends that I’ve lost too soon, a year ago, also in October, it will be, I lost my best friend to cancer and she was younger than I was. And I feel that if I don’t make the best use of my body, my brain, my soul and everything, while my best friends are not here to do this or see their children grow up, I would almost be doing or slighting their memory. And others that also gets me, that gets me going and very, very appreciative of being able to even be alive and breathing.
25:50 We talk about that. We say, you know, our five daily habits, just like you said, being fit isn’t a guarantee. This isn’t, you know, we’re not talking about living a stress free, worry free, you know, no hurdles to overcome life. That isn’t reality. Reality. Hard things are going to come and as we age, there’s a lot of things that can change disease and losing friends and you know, job losses. It’s, there’s a lot that comes, you know, as our kids age and move into different phases of their lives, new stresses that come from that. This isn’t are what we say is that this is a way of, uh, making yourself be your best self through all of these, you know, being able to approach these challenges and these obstacles. If you don’t move, if you don’t keep learning, if you don’t keep sharing, if you can’t be grateful, if you don’t let go of stress, you’re really gonna be, yeah, this is, you’re not going to be able to handle life as to set yourself up, to be able to deal with all these hurdles and still enjoy your life because things are going to happen regardless. So you have to be able to deal with them. And if you continue these things daily and set yourself up.
27:19 Yeah. I mean, only 10, only 10 years ago, I lost everything. I lost. I was divorced. I have no job. I had no money. I was 45. I and um, but the habits that you’re mentioning like gratitude, keeping a gratitude list and moving, I still want to dance classes and brought my kids and um, you know, put myself out there. I connected with people, which is another one of your habits and um, all that enabled me to get back into the professional game. I was always a writer, but then I was able to take my writing skills and communication skills online, whatever. If somebody had told me I would be a very well paid blogger or influencer or whatever you want to call it. A lot of people hate the word influencer, but the fact that I’m making six figures doing this at 56 no less, it’s, well, to me it isn’t because it’s just what I do.
28:18 But, but when I think of somebody else’s my age, I’m like, oh well she’s older and I think of somebody who cannot navigate the Internet for example. But, but the fact that I keep on top of all these things, goodness, my father at 82 has his Twitter account, his Instagram account, and still continues to write. My father in law who is bedridden now he’s in his nineties but he’s still writes. He’s also a writer. I come from a family right on both sides. And the fact that my grandfather was also a writer and he was not great at exercising, but he walked a lot. And he, by having this, this, um, passion, I also have writing until the day he died. That is like, I don’t see myself retiring, you know, I, at least not in the traditional sense of the word. It’s, it’s, you know, keeping my mind when people say, well, where are you going to know?
29:11 Are you going to retire? And I’m like, what are we talking about? Just like what I and I can’t stop because I enjoy it. I enjoy writing books, I enjoy writing blogs, I enjoy starting businesses and projects and the fact that my kids are relatively young. So, um, I’m still dealing with teens at home and one that just left and you know, all these things, um, being engaged and an interest in life despite, um, what has happened to us. Everybody at this point in and a little older, a lot older, we’ve all gone through so much. I mean, my grandmother who was the one who was 101, she survived the Spanish civil war and my grandfather was in a concentration camp. I mean, you know, how do we think we have problems? Zero problems compared to that. And um, you know, so it’s, it is honestly a mindset and I believe it’s choice. I’m not happy all the time. I do not feel this way all the time. Um, I may have a an awful day tomorrow and then say, oh my goodness, I just made them believe I was, you know, the strong woman. But I guess I am strong because I have overcome so much.
30:21 Yeah, probably it’s a bit like the you’re not brave unless you’re afraid. You know, if something is a challenge and you overcome that challenge, then you know, then you’re strong. Right. But if you have no challenges in life to overcome them, you have nothing to compare it to, you know, and it’s a bit like gratitude and sometimes you have to go through hard things to really appreciate the good things.
30:52 I have a PhD in that,
30:57 It’s a roller coaster. You have to take the ups with the downs.
So, but yes, and your story of, I mean, I know that we haven’t focused a lot on your entrepreneurial story, but oh, it’s a big story. And I, and I appreciate that. Uh, I mean, and people will connect with you. I know, and find out a little bit more about, uh, Vivo 50 and all of that that you do because it is, I mean, you grew that from the ground up and that’s not a small feat as we can well attest to here, uh, online. So I appreciate that.
31:31 What I mean is really that anybody at any age can honestly start things. I’ve, I’m also a journalist and so I’ve interviewed people. Um, most recently I was, my latest work was with NBC News and I, one of the people I have been interviewing throughout the years for different outlets, thankfully is this lady, her name was Posa Feena, Mona Stadia. Um, she’s from Venezuela and she is now, I think 73, and she is a professional bodybuilder. And she started when she was 59. So when I see this kind of thing, it just makes me feel, you know, it is a choice. It is a choice. I mean, maybe you don’t want to be a body builder, maybe you don’t like that. But the fact that she had this new thing that she thought, well, let me try. Why not? No, why not become a whatever, whatever, whatever it is you want.
32:29 And I’m not saying I have not. Well, I guess there’s certain things I that I couldn’t do now. You know, they’re just no biologically or because it doesn’t make any sense. You know, I don’t want to be a figure skater, but maybe, you know, there are certain things that, um, you know, that it honestly might be too late for that. But for the most part, um, you know, I, I’m very fortunate, but I’ve lived most of my life despite the ups and downs, following my, what we call in Yoga, the Dharma, the life purpose, which is communicating and writing and being creative. I’ve always done that. So I don’t look back with regret and saying, oh my God, I had this awful job all my life and it was terrible. I had no, I have worked for myself all my life, which was considered a failure when I was young because I couldn’t hold a job.
33:16 I hated it. I hated going to an office. I tried it left and within a week I could not stand that. And I worked from home have always done that. And so when you’re this age and you look back and say, you know what, I never wanted to work in an office. I’m 56 and I still work from home. To me that’s success. No, I’m not saying that everybody has to do that. Obviously a lot of people prefer working in an office. I would keep doing what I do, but the point is finding what it is that you really want to do, whether you’re 20, you’re 80 or 40 and saying, what am I going to do with the rest of this? You know, again, to me is a choice. And also, uh, the more I, I, I’ve stopped explaining myself to people when I was younger and people were like, Whoa, why don’t you have a job? What is it that you do? Again, I don’t spend time on what people think I do or don’t do. I just do my stuff and kind of put like, you know, blinders on and just keep on going because life is at any age is too short to live, wondering what other people are thinking about what your decisions are.
34:21 Right? Right. Yeah. Well, uh, from our perspective, you’re making all the right decisions, so all the right choices all the time. Well, you know, it’s never a, it’s never a black and white, right? It’s never 100%. But what most the most, again, the most successful people in terms of, uh, and I don’t mean financial success or you know, just successful in life, successful in achieving what they want in their lives, right? What you just said exemplifies that you have lived, you have lived the life that you are meant to be living your Dharma, your, you know, your purpose. And every day, that doesn’t mean that every day is, uh, you know, sunshine and Unicorns, right? It’s just, it means that you’re there and you’re living mindfully. We talk about that a lot as well, and making choices every day that are going to help you create the life that you want. And you’re going to make the rest of your life the best of your life, no matter what age you are. And whether that’s 56 right now or in 10 years from now or 20. Right.
35:34 That’s my, um, that’s why I tried to do.
35:36 Right, exactly. Well, that’s all I can all we can all, all we can do is all try, but we, we definitely set ourselves up for future success in terms of that, what that looks like at 76 and 86 by taking care of the habits that we know are so important right now. So Lorraine, we can’t thank you enough for spending some time with us today. I know that people are really going to love your story just, and if they haven’t found you already, I know they will. Can you tell everybody yeah. Again, or tell our audience where they can connect with you best.
36:13 Um, if they Google me, Lorraine C laddish, I have the joy and sorrow of having a unique name, they will find me.
36:22 So your blog and at Viva 50 and I think on Instagram and Facebook you’re all at Lorraine C laddish right?
36:29 Yeah, I’m Lorraine C Laddish, Viva 50 and the flawed Yogini.
36:32 Absolutely. We will add all of those links in our show notes as well and we just appreciate you taking the time. Stay, stay warm there in Florida and I appreciate you taking the time today.
36:51 No thank you. I’ll tell you what. This is like a little vacation for me. Always, to talk about good stuff.
36:55 Thanks Lorraine. Thank you. Thank you.
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